The workers within our industry are absolutely horrified that the Government are trying to rebrand us as part of the sex industry. It’s quite clear we are not part of the sex industry, we never have been and we don’t intend to be. Our clubs are controlled; there’s no sexual activity going on.
- Elaine Reed, spokeswoman for the Spearmint Rhino
Lap-dancing“Gentlemen’s” Clubs chain
Because there is nothing sexual about pushing your p*ssy in some mug’s face. That’s entertainment.
Frottage goes back to the great British music hall tradition.
- David Parks, erotic historian
Hmm, semantic discussion ahead! By word of law where does ‘dancing’ stop and ’sex’ begin? If there isn’t touching and so no sexual contact, can there be sex? I understand your point, but if you are going to draw the line on sex workers, where does it stop. Can can dancers? Moulin Rouge? Burlesque? We know there is a difference, but how do you legislate?
As unwarrantedly haughty as that spokeswoman was, she may have a point.
I am also now fascinated in the history and roots of frottage. Has Simon Schama done a series about it yet?
Does sexual activity only pertain to full penetrative intercourse then?
By the by, lap dancing clubs in Glasgow are classed as part of the sex industry, not entertainment AFAIK.
*sigh* not saying sex only = penetration. Just asking how you legislate sexual intent, as opposed to dance. Remember common sense is incredibly hard to set down in law.
Go sigh yourself.
“Just asking how you legislate sexual intent, as opposed to dance.”
Inserting your p*ssy into strangers faces is art, then? I see. Have you evert actually been into a lapdancing bar!?
The courts are quite used to discerning “sexual intent” when it comes to assaults or pubic exposure, so I hardly think this proposed legislation will bring the walls of justice tumbling down, oohsoclever.
p.s. WordPress!? Oooh. Classy…
Does any keyboard have an interrobang character?! I must Google!
By the by, the part of the quote I thought was stupid was “there’s no sexual activity going on”. However, I posted the whole quote for context.
Obviously you dont see ptet. I was merely saying there is room for confusion, and therefore debate. But obviously that means I am a mean venal woman-objectifying wanker. Thank you for your judgement and for telling me what I mean.
La, I am quite happy to go sigh myself. Not even going near my sack of cheap interrobang jokes..
Found the *sigh* very patronising, if you must know.
*sigh* = it’s too difficult to explain these things to you. You don’t have the capacity to understand.
Well, I guess us lil ladies should stick to taking our clothes off and not worry our pretty lil heads trying to think.
Weird, thats I feel when you do it. I just thought that I had made my point clearly enough. I was just playing devils advocate as they may have an argument to make. I tried to make it clear that I dont regard lapdancing as non-sexual or indeed art, just that saying this is sexwork, that isnt sex work is a fine line when people arn’t having sex, for example a burlesque show.
I’ve found the html tags (‽ or ‽) for the interrobang! But they don’t work in the comment box. I promise I will try to include as many as appropriately possible in upcoming posts (although they may not be discernible due to font size. On that matter, how do I increase or decrease the size of the text in my posts? I searched the help section but what I found included downloading widgets and mucking about with the CSS. Surely it can’t be that complicated!?)
I think comparing burlesque to lap-dancing is like comparing a painting of a nude to Big Jugs Weekly. But, yes, I get your point: it isn’t me who sets the boundaries.
My point was that rubbing your slit up someone’s thigh is more sex than dancing, in anyone’s book. You don’t go to the Royal Academy to learn how to do it and the folks going to these clubs ain’t interested in ballet.
Yep definately. I deliberately left in ‘if there is no contact’ for that reason. Confession time, Im not familiar with the rules in Spearmint rhino. But yeah, once you add in the rubbing element, its pretty clear cut.
And in response to any accusations of sexism, check out my public information films:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxY9rZwNGU
OSC, the no touching rule applies to the patrons, not the dancers.
Fair enough, I’d be largely wrong then….
I would suggest, that if people show up making unpleasant comments on your blog, that you ban them. Works for me.
Are they going to!? Do you know something I don’t!?
Some of the above comments strike me as a touch rude, given that it’s your blog after all.
On perhaps I am being paranoid on your behalf.
I shall go off and have another look at the house optimised for kittehs
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Ah, I know both OSC and PTET in real life so have developed immunity to their rudeness =)
I want to live in the house optimised for kittehs. It would be wasted on BW but my dad’s cat Puss (who used to be mine before he decided he’d rather live with me dad) would be in paradise: he loves to show off how high he can jump and has to poke his wet pink nose into absolutely everything. He’s heard that old saying about curiosity and cats but he forgets how it goes.
Is he the ginger tabby? Yeah, my ginger tabby also needs to get into absolutely EVERYTHING.
Nicely remembered! Of course, the ginger! I think nosiness is a ginger gene. My dad got a new kitchen put in a while ago; not only did Puss get his footprints immortalised in both the cement on the floor and the paint on the windowsills, he also went home in the fitters’ van.